Here are my rough notes for today's meeting. Waldemar -------------- Internationalization standard: Part of E262 or separate track? Pros and cons to each one, and either would be workable. There is a substantial area of interaction (ES5 locale methods, normalization, and such) between them that will need to be addressed regardless of which approach we take. Lunch discussion over whether we want all locale-specific behavior (examples: date formatting) to be implementation-defined or whether we'd want to specify it for at least the major locales. Having everything implementation-defined makes testing a hassle and will result in different behavior on different platforms/browsers (as is happening today). On the other hand, specifying the results for a lot of locales is a lot of work. Waldemar: Either would work. Personal preference is to make it part of E262 if it's small (in terms of number of pages of standard) or make it separate if it's large. Agreed not to fast-track internationalization library (if it's a separate standard) for now. It's going to be evolving too quickly. Allen: Update on ISO fast track and ES5.1. Applause. TC39 requested a vote on ES5.1 at the upcoming summer GA. Allen: There's a significant community of users who are used to the classical patterns of encapsulation (rather than using closures for all encapsulation). Waldemar and Dave: Important to be able to late-bind design decisions and change them easily. This means that a programmer should be able to relatively easily take code that uses a public object property and refactor the code to make it private (or vice versa) without having to restructure the code.